tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5016245466912407364.post6416048942170379462..comments2024-01-06T17:38:53.551-05:00Comments on Poli-Tea: Kucinich Questions the Legitimacy of the Two-Party Systemd.erishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09186054212519025557noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5016245466912407364.post-86271928685641969092011-07-22T14:25:18.620-04:002011-07-22T14:25:18.620-04:00Yes, Cox, like me...
dlwYes, Cox, like me...<br /><br />dlwDLWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17709279441985086959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5016245466912407364.post-370890228052688952011-07-22T12:11:19.830-04:002011-07-22T12:11:19.830-04:00"Such is the nature of internet activism wher..."Such is the nature of internet activism where the barriers to entry are low and invite a polyglot of activists emotionally invested in their specific viewpoints."<br /><br />Like you? <br /><br />I've seen many posts of yours in my time reading this blog, D.eris is too kind to you, you really should spam your bullshit elsewhere.Coxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10011923070229070635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5016245466912407364.post-46623717561429421692011-07-22T11:24:41.782-04:002011-07-22T11:24:41.782-04:00Such is the nature of internet activism where the ...Such is the nature of internet activism where the barriers to entry are low and invite a polyglot of activists emotionally invested in their specific viewpoints.<br /><br />dlwDLWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17709279441985086959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5016245466912407364.post-32039117899152909492011-07-22T11:14:35.230-04:002011-07-22T11:14:35.230-04:00@DLW
I get it, you're angry people aren't...@DLW<br /><br />I get it, you're angry people aren't paying you (or your proposals) much attention. Sucks I know, but that's life.TiradeFactionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06760660346802297769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5016245466912407364.post-1378433717161740922011-07-22T11:10:02.396-04:002011-07-22T11:10:02.396-04:00@TF, I never said you were. My point was to clari...@TF, I never said you were. My point was to clarify for others what I meant by strategic.<br /><br />The implications of the use of Logic can be very inconvenient. Me, I get touchy because I believe too much is at stake to waste much time and energy ranting against the political duopoly, or pushing for utopic schemes or to encourage a thousand flowers bloom. Folks will do the right as they seeDLWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17709279441985086959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5016245466912407364.post-55485407561134398862011-07-22T11:01:20.358-04:002011-07-22T11:01:20.358-04:00@DLW
I'm not promoting (federal) constitution...@DLW<br /><br />I'm not promoting (federal) constitutional amendments. <br /><br />"I'm saying that there is such a thing as following the fucking logic and reassessing our priorities as a result and that is why I advocate for folks to major on pushing for institutional reforms."<br /><br />Wow you're touchy!TiradeFactionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06760660346802297769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5016245466912407364.post-18770096217162919822011-07-22T10:59:32.857-04:002011-07-22T10:59:32.857-04:00the term perfectionistic refers to those who want ...the term perfectionistic refers to those who want to make US constitutional amendments to root out the influence of $peech or end legal corporate personhood... It does not refer to policy activism and was meant to explain what I mean by "strategic".<br /><br />And I could never make you do anything, nor would I want to make you do anything. I'm saying that there is such a thing asDLWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17709279441985086959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5016245466912407364.post-54320780040580580712011-07-22T10:54:49.776-04:002011-07-22T10:54:49.776-04:00@DLW
I wouldn't exactly call working on prefe...@DLW<br /><br />I wouldn't exactly call working on preferred policy changes "perfectionist", that's a bit of a strawman I think. <br /><br />But I agree working in favor of institutional reforms makes sense since said reforms could allow for easier adoption of desired policy changes. But that doesn't mean I'll abandon the former for the latter in every circumstance. I TiradeFactionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06760660346802297769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5016245466912407364.post-89859631616900498202011-07-22T10:47:58.524-04:002011-07-22T10:47:58.524-04:00@TF
Here's a tennis analogy. It's like t...@TF<br /><br />Here's a tennis analogy. It's like the diff between a forehand and a backhand. We inevitably tend to use one more so than the other. If our left hand (organizing for institutional change) is weak, the natural tendency is to favor the right hand(organizing for our preferred policy changes). However, this is the opposite of what it takes to improve our game, since our DLWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17709279441985086959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5016245466912407364.post-52005193543183536112011-07-22T10:35:44.337-04:002011-07-22T10:35:44.337-04:00@DLW
I don't really see a dichotomy between o...@DLW<br /><br />I don't really see a dichotomy between organizing for institutional changes versus organizing for specific (or a set thereof) policy changes. Both can be worked towards I believe.TiradeFactionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06760660346802297769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5016245466912407364.post-7676392001436858992011-07-22T10:31:08.494-04:002011-07-22T10:31:08.494-04:00@TF
You can't be an LTP advocate and not belie...@TF<br />You can't be an LTP advocate and not believe in a multi-pronged approach. However, the question is, given how our current system marginalizes us, can we afford to take as much of a multi-pronged approach right now? Or should many of us put our shoulders behind the reform most likely to make a multi-pronged approach work in the future.<br /><br />dlwDLWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17709279441985086959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5016245466912407364.post-34399898792482847862011-07-22T05:59:56.432-04:002011-07-22T05:59:56.432-04:00LOL Dennis the Menice complaining that the 2 party...LOL Dennis the Menice complaining that the 2 party system is not progressive enough.<br /><br />Maybe he is upset because the olive sandwich he had for lunch bit him back or something.Leonidashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00036778180409322463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5016245466912407364.post-2123852747821552132011-07-21T20:34:39.103-04:002011-07-21T20:34:39.103-04:00@DLW
I think we need a mutli pronged approach, no...@DLW<br /><br />I think we need a mutli pronged approach, not unlike your point that we need to diversify our electoral systems. <br /><br />Protests on the other hand I'm pretty skeptical of.TiradeFactionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06760660346802297769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5016245466912407364.post-47406119840607231032011-07-21T18:41:15.143-04:002011-07-21T18:41:15.143-04:00@d.eris
Isn't there always some progressive o...@d.eris<br /><br />Isn't there always some progressive org out to "protest" something? <br /><br />I forgot who exactly said that, but the only impression protests leave is on the grass ;)TiradeFactionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06760660346802297769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5016245466912407364.post-24694856697031358732011-07-19T14:38:03.073-04:002011-07-19T14:38:03.073-04:00Isn't there also some progressive coalition th...Isn't there also some progressive coalition that is building up to a protest in early October?d.erisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5016245466912407364.post-86335731278338586602011-07-18T16:04:29.613-04:002011-07-18T16:04:29.613-04:00I read Erica Payne's "The Practical Progr...I read Erica Payne's "The Practical Progressive: How to Build a 21st Century Political Movement, " It tended to try and aggregate Progressives into a big coalition with emph on those orgs who were the top in their area of interest/expertise.<br /><br />The goal is to build up a liberal infrastructure, but the underlying goal is also to reestablish a Democratic party machine that DLWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17709279441985086959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5016245466912407364.post-17386251110261033892011-07-17T21:49:07.062-04:002011-07-17T21:49:07.062-04:00I'm reminded of the movie Amen about the Nazi ...I'm reminded of the movie Amen about the Nazi SS officer who documented the Holocaust and later died for his efforts to get the pope to tell the world about it. At one point, a "believer" friend of his refused to help him because of the fact he was a part of the SS.<br /><br />Folks can work to change the system from both within and outside the two party system. Both types are DLWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17709279441985086959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5016245466912407364.post-27259027235606568642011-07-15T23:53:54.641-04:002011-07-15T23:53:54.641-04:00Another answer is currently being undertaken by th...Another answer is currently being undertaken by the Agenda Project. They have grouped, and is organizing to a limited extent so far, a large, vast array of progressive NGO's in Washington. These non-profits include Common Cause, Public Citizen, OMB Watch, Taxpayers for Common Sense and many more.<br /><br />How much synergy in progressive activism they can muster as one unit is hard for me David Wellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11009962564428008203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5016245466912407364.post-63571900560839565282011-07-15T21:19:26.684-04:002011-07-15T21:19:26.684-04:00I appreciate someone in Kucinich's position ha...I appreciate someone in Kucinich's position has enough balls to even bring up we have a closed off two party system, but I agree, what's he still doing hanging out with the Dems? I suppose it's a money thing, after all I can't blame him in this economy. But I don't like the message he sends to progressives, that you can stick with the Democratic party, even after they sell youTiradeFactionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06760660346802297769noreply@blogger.com